change from VHF to UHF

[dhausman]

Is there any plan to change from VHF to UHF for WSYX?

-Dan

[gsb]

Is there any plan to change from VHF to UHF for WSYX?

They've asked the FCC for permission to move to channel 48, according to the info at www.rabbitears.info/ss/

[bullwinkle]

According to the coverage maps on the FCC website the 59.0 kW ERP on Ch. 13 is causing loss coverage to the south and southeast. Compare that to WCMH that went from 95.5 kW ERP on Ch. 4 to 902 kW ERP on Ch. 14. They see a BIG increase in coverage at all compass points. WBNS also saw an increase in overall coverage but not as dramatic as WCMH.

WSYX cannot sit still and lose viewers.

[dhausman]

According to the coverage maps on the FCC website the 59.0 kW ERP on Ch. 13 is causing loss coverage to the south and southeast. Compare that to WCMH that went from 95.5 kW ERP on Ch. 4 to 902 kW ERP on Ch. 14. They see a BIG increase in coverage at all compass points. WBNS also saw an increase in overall coverage but not as dramatic as WCMH.

WSYX cannot sit still and lose viewers.

Yeah, WSYX is the only channel I can not pick up in Granville with my antenna. I am somewhat limited to the antenna I use.

-Dan

[Timcredible]

this would be good, i could get rid of my vhf antenna. wcmh should also move away from the lowest uhf channel also, it flakes out quite often and has 16% less signal strength than wbns or wtte.

[vman41]

According to the coverage maps on the FCC website the 59.0 kW ERP on Ch. 13 is causing loss coverage to the south and southeast.


Is there a reason they can't increase the power on ch. 13 or reconfigure their antenna?

[willcail]

WCPX LP48 is broadcasting Azteca America. They have permission to flash cut to digital. They also filed an displacement application to move to UHF TV25. The FCC haven't list when that is going to happen.

[hdtvnewbie]

Looks like WSYX's change to channel 48 is about to be granted.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1537A1.pdf

Before the
Federal Communications Commission
Washington, D.C. 20554
NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING

Adopted: July 13, 2009 Released: July 15, 2009

Comment Date: [15 days after date of publication in the Federal Register]

Reply Comment Date: [25 days after date of publication in the Federal Register]

By the Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau:

1. The Commission has before it a petition for rulemaking filed by WSYX Licensee, LLC (“WSYX”), the licensee of station WSYX-DT, DTV channel 13, Columbus, Ohio. WSYX requests the substitution of DTV channel 48 for channel 13 at Columbus.

2. WSYX states that it is the only VHF station in the Columbus, Ohio, Designated Market Area, and that its current VHF DTV channel 13 has resulted in poor digital service when compared with the UHF stations in the market. WSYX concludes that grant of “the proposal will permit WSYX-DT to replicate the [pre-transition] analog service of WSYX(TV) on a UHF DTV channel, thereby allowing the station to maintain program service to the station’s [previous analog] viewers.”1

3. We believe that WSYX’s proposal warrants consideration. DTV channel 48 can be subbstituted for DTV channel 13 at Columbus, Ohio as proposed, in compliance with the principal community coverage requirements of Section 73.625(a) of the Commission’s rules,2 at coordinates 39-56-14 N. and 83-1-16 W. Since the proposed facility is located within the Canadian coordination zone, concurrence from the Canadian government must be obtained for this allotment. In addition, we find that this channel change meets the technical requirements set forth in Sections 73.616, and 73.623 of the Commission’s rules.3

We propose to substitute DTV Channel 48 for DTV Channel 13 for station WSYXDT at Columbus with the following specifications:

State and City DTV Channel DTV Power (kW) Antenna HAAT (m)
Columbus, Ohio 48 1000 286

4. Accordingly, we seek comments on the proposed amendment of the DTV Table of Allotments, Section 73.622(i) of the Commission’s rules,4 for the community listed below, to read as follows:

Channel No.
City and State
Present
Proposed

Columbus, Ohio
13, 14, 21, 36, *38
14, 21, 36, *38, 48

[dhausman]

I have been tracking it here http://www.rabbitears.info/chchg.php


Dan

[willcail]

WCPX LP48 must vacate UHF 48 soon. What will be the date for WSYX DT to make the switch?

[hdtvnewbie]

WCPX LP48 must vacate UHF 48 soon. What will be the date for WSYX DT to make the switch?

Though it looks like it's a done deal, its still in the public comment stage. They haven't issued a construction permit yet.

[willcail]

Well WCPX LP48 should turn off their analog signal on December first 2009. This will allowed WSYX to moved to UHF48. This will make Columbus Ohio virtually an all UHF city. True that there is a station that broadcast on VHF8 but does anyone can pick that station up?

[dhausman]

Here is what I dug up from the FCC (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2582A1.pdf)

[Allfirdup]

WSYX has been granted the Construction permit to move from channel 13 to 48 with a much stronger signal. (1000 kw) this should finally correct alot of the problems receiving them around central Ohio

[Rick]

Transmitter arrived today! Output filter and antenna is suppose to arrive late-June (keep your fingers crossed for no manufacturing, weather, shipping delays).

[Rick]

The signal loss to the southeast is because of digital to digital interference when WOWK switched back to their original analog channel instead of using the DTV channel assigned in the original DTV table of allotments.
WTHR in Indianapolis and WTVG in Toledo did the same thing so there is digital to digital interference in the north and west as well. :(

The interesting thing was the analog to digital interference did not seem to have that much of an impact but after June 12th the impact of the digital to digital interfernce was very apparant to viewers in those overlap areas where they could not receive either station.

In the end all of the DTV stations in Columbus, OH will be in the UHF band, smaller wavelength equals smaller antennas.

[willcail]

I've have a question. On the rabbit ears info website that the LP DTV station WOCB in Marion Ohio have an application to move to UHF 48 as well. Who will get UHF 48?

[hdtvnewbie]

I miss being able to listen to Channel 6 audio on 87.7 FM. Any chance of firing up the Channel 6 transmitter again as an analog LPTV?

[Rick]

I miss being able to listen to Channel 6 audio on 87.7 FM. Any chance of firing up the Channel 6 transmitter again as an analog LPTV?
Since Low Power stations have to make the move to digital as well in due time and the commission will not issue construction permits for analog TV facilities full power or low power.

[Scott]

Thanks for the updates Rick. Keep us posted!

[hdtvnewbie]

I just wanted to complement you guys on how great you look in two areas:

1) I think your news set absolutely rocks, especially on a 58" TV in HD! Easily the best in the city, if not the entire State of Ohio.

2) Whatever you guys are doing with This-TV, I am surprised how good it looks on my 58" Samsung. How do you get it to look so good? Is it because most of the movies are on film instead of videotape? Or is it that you can allocate more bandwidth since ABC is at 720p? Whatever it is, it looks pretty good to me, especially when compared to 4.2. I can hardly tell the difference between 720p and 1080i, especially when sports are on. Both look pretty good to me.

I will share a little secret I learned. I have a Zenith converter box hooked up to my TV for the purpose of getting the LPTV's and the Dayton channels. I've found that the subchannels actually look better using a converterbox connected through my RCA jacks. I think when the subchannels come in as QAM channels, they have too much resolution and look a little jagged. Because the converter box is at a lower resolution, I think it helps smooth out the picture making it look better on a big screen TV.

... Even the Dayton channels look good in HD through the converter box, although if you have a picky eye you do see the difference.

[Rick]

[quote=hdtvnewbie;15271]I just wanted to complement you guys on how great you look in two areas:

To answer your question the answer is yes; however any comment or post I make on any forum are mine and does not and should not be taken as a representation of position or statement of my employer or of the station, etc...

Thank you for your compliments, it is always nice to hear those; most of the time all we hear about are the problems. Everyone at the station works very hard to get the best product out to the viewers.

[Rick]

The new antenna has arrived and the tower crew is due in next week. Transmitter installation is moving forward. Target is sometime in August to make the channel change.

[vman41]

The new antenna has arrived and the tower crew is due in next week. Transmitter installation is moving forward. Target is sometime in August to make the channel change.

Good news. Will PSIP magic allow properly implemented receivers to reconfigure themselves for the new frequency, or will everyone have to do a rescan?

[Rick]

Good news. Will PSIP magic allow properly implemented receivers to reconfigure themselves for the new frequency, or will everyone have to do a rescan?

It actually depends on the make and model of the DTV ready television or the DTV converter box. From what I have read about stations that changed channels in June 2009, on some DTV ready televisions and converter boxes you will have to delete the existing channel 6.1 and 6.2 and then do the rescan. It really depends on how each manufacturer interpreted the "standard". However most should be fine with just a rescan.

[hdtvnewbie]

It looks like the new antenna is already up, but they aren't broadcasting on 48 yet.

[Rick]

Antenna work was finished Saturday morning. Transmitter installation moving forward... target on air date August 30th, keep your fingers crossed. Some other really cool things are going to happen soon, more details when they arrive (something other besides Cool TV that is).

[hdtvnewbie]

Can't wait!

Are they still planning on swapping out channels as they were planning before? In other words, is WSYX moving to Channel 36 and does WTTE get 48?

This TV in my opinion has a great quality picture, best of all the subchannels. But since new technology allows for two HD channels at 720p, I hope the surprise involves This TV going HD.

[Rick]

WTTE stays on DTV UHF channel 36 no changes there.:)
WSYX will move from DTV VHF channel 13 to DTV UHF channel 48.:)

The new WSYX channel 48 antenna is designed for 1 MW in the horizontal plane and 600 KW in the vertical plane. If I understand correctly WSYX will be the only station in the market transmitting with both horizontal and vertical polarizations. It should work out extremely well.

The THIS TV network is only an SD network and does not have an HD distribution of the network's programming.

[hdtvnewbie]

WTTE stays on DTV UHF channel 36 no changes there.:)
WSYX will move from DTV VHF channel 13 to DTV UHF channel 48.:)

The new WSYX channel 48 antenna is designed for 1 MW in the horizontal plane and 600 KW in the vertical plane. If I understand correctly WSYX will be the only station in the market transmitting with both horizontal and vertical polarizations. It should work out extremely well.

The THIS TV network is only an SD network and does not have an HD distribution of the network's programming.

I'm just a geek who's curious about such things.

I know WNCI also has a lower vertical power (105 kw) than its horizontal power (175 kw). Someone once explained to me that vertical power was most applicable to car antennas. Is there a similar explanation for WSYX? Is the vertical power applicable to mobile TV?

Also, why the two power levels? Is there something inherent with the vertical "plane" (as you say) that requires a reduction in power?

[Rick]

Horizontal vs Vertical, most roof mounted antennas are horizontal polarization, however when you look at rabbit ears they most definately are vertical. TV transmission is required in the horizontal plane and the additional vertical polarization is optional, however it can not exceed the horzontal power.

In the analog days most stations had some energy in the vertical plane. However in the begining of digital there was this strong belief that the vertical component only increases the station's electic bill and may increase reception problems. With time and experimentation it has been discovered that having some vertical component does help with DTV reception and most definately will help with MPH DTV handheld television on mobile devices. (However having a lot of vertical component doesn't help reduce the electric bill at all).

Why the different amount of power levels? To have both the Horizontal and Vertical power levels the same, the input power to the antenna is double (so is the electric bill).

Since the Horizontal plane is the primary method of transmission you don't want to drop that power level any amount.

The limiting point is the amount of power at the input connection of the transmitting antenna at which the input connection to the antenna will not arc, melt or catch on fire and add in a little headroom for safety sake. Keep in mind this is using 8" diameter coax transmission line up the tower to feed the antenna, there will be a lot of power.

Hope that answers the question :)

[willcail]

New Changes hmm.

Here are my guesses. First will WSYX will broadcast MYTV programming in HD on 6.2? Since MYTV does offer MYTV programming in HD?

Will Insight Cable replaces WUAB with WSYX DT2 for the MYTV affiliate? Why would Insight uses a out of market station? The station lineup is nothing special. The same shows can be seen on WTTE and WWHO.

[Allfirdup]

New Changes hmm.

Will Insight Cable replaces WUAB with WSYX DT2 for the MYTV affiliate? Why would Insight uses a out of market station? The station lineup is nothing special. The same shows can be seen on WTTE and WWHO.

Insight has not carried WUAB in several years, and they do have WSYX 6.2 My TV Columbus on channel 189

[hdtvnewbie]

Horizontal vs Vertical, most roof mounted antennas are horizontal polarization, however when you look at rabbit ears they most definately are vertical. TV transmission is required in the horizontal plane and the additional vertical polarization is optional, however it can not exceed the horzontal power.

In the analog days most stations had some energy in the vertical plane. However in the begining of digital there was this strong belief that the vertical component only increases the station's electic bill and may increase reception problems. With time and experimentation it has been discovered that having some vertical component does help with DTV reception and most definately will help with MPH DTV handheld television on mobile devices. (However having a lot of vertical component doesn't help reduce the electric bill at all).

Why the different amount of power levels? To have both the Horizontal and Vertical power levels the same, the input power to the antenna is double (so is the electric bill).

Since the Horizontal plane is the primary method of transmission you don't want to drop that power level any amount.

The limiting point is the amount of power at the input connection of the transmitting antenna at which the input connection to the antenna will not arc, melt or catch on fire and add in a little headroom for safety sake. Keep in mind this is using 8" diameter coax transmission line up the tower to feed the antenna, there will be a lot of power.

Hope that answers the question :)

Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation.

I read some of this stuff online as hobby. Sinclair really seems to be cutting-edge when it comes to technology.

[willcail]

Remember WSYX DT2 does carry MYTV and MYTV does broadcast in HD. Is it possible that WSYX broadcasting MYTV in HD and not This TV?

[willcail]

I just saw a text crawl about WSYX DT moving their digital signal on or after 08.30.2010. The crawl states that you must re scan.

[KCJ]

Does anyone know if CH6 is putting up their new antenna today. I hear a one sided conversation on GMRS ch 16. Sounds like someone on a tower or high rise building under construction. Thanks KCJ

[Rick]

-WSYX new antenna installation was completed on Saturday July 24th, we are working on getting the channel 48 transmitter construction completed.
-If you use an antenna to watch 6.1 and 6.2 you will need to rescan you DTV Converter box or your DTV ready television set :(; If you subscribe to cable, Dish Network or DirecTV you will not have to do anything :).

[Columbus News Fan]

Does anyone know if CH6 is putting up their new antenna today. I hear a one sided conversation on GMRS ch 16. Sounds like someone on a tower or high rise building under construction. Thanks KCJ

My guess is either WCBE 90.5 is fixing there transmitter at the LeVeque Tower or Daystar is putting up there digital antenna. My guess is the first one.

[hdtvnewbie]

My guess is either WCBE 90.5 is fixing there transmitter at the LeVeque Tower or Daystar is putting up there digital antenna. My guess is the first one.

Could be any of the above. Daystar has gone digital in Cincinnati, so don't discount them preparing for the flashcut on Channel 19 here. However, I would say the most likely scenario is that Channel 48 is preparing to move to Channel 25 since WSYX will be bumping them soon.

[willcail]

WCPX LP48 haven't broadcasting for quite some time. They were renting WCSN LD 32.1 and now airs The Promiseland Network.

I'm glad that WSYX DT is moving to UHF 48. Lately the station is suffering from pixelation.

[gabigley1]

WCPX 48 has been off 32.1 because they lost their lease according to the WCPX
manager... He tells me they will be back soon on the new channel 23.2 as of
September 15 2010. Also the new B.A.M network will be on 23.1 and GTN Analog 23 will move over to 23.2.

[willcail]

The B.A.M Network? Is this going to replace the .2 Network? Is the B.A.M broadcast in HD?

[hdtvnewbie]

WCPX LP48 haven't broadcasting for quite some time. They were renting WCSN LD 32.1 and now airs The Promiseland Network.

I'm glad that WSYX DT is moving to UHF 48. Lately the station is suffering from pixelation.

If you're picking up the CW station from Portsmouth, I'm guessing that what you're getting is signal from WOWK in Huntington, which is also on Channel 13

[hdtvnewbie]

WCPX 48 has been off 32.1 because they lost their lease according to the WCPX
manager... He tells me they will be back soon on the new channel 23.2 as of
September 15 2010. Also the new B.A.M network will be on 23.1 and GTN Analog 23 will move over to 23.2.

What happened to Channel 25? I thought they were moving there.

[willcail]

For the few moments I was picking up WQCW witch broadcast on UHF17.

[kc8kfg]

Could be any of the above. Daystar has gone digital in Cincinnati, so don't discount them preparing for the flashcut on Channel 19 here. However, I would say the most likely scenario is that Channel 48 is preparing to move to Channel 25 since WSYX will be bumping them soon.

Daystar has the app in for a digital flash-cut in Cincinnati on channel 36, but they've been off air since winter. I'm 2 miles from their tower and I'm still getting WTTE 28 strong, 90 miles away.

[willcail]

Does anyone what time when WSYX DT will switch off their VHF 13 digital transmitter and turn on their UHF 48 transmitter on 08.30.2010?

[MeleeDave]

August 30 at 1:00 p.m.

http://www.abc6onyourside.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wsyx_vid_6024.shtml

[vman41]

August 30 at 1:00 p.m.

http://www.abc6onyourside.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wsyx_vid_6024.shtml

We're changing the channel, so instead of tuning to channel 6.1 you'll have to tune to channel 6.1. Maybe they should they should say they are changing the frequency and leave the channels as virtual.

On my boxes, I'm going to manually tune 48.1 and see how many figure it out.

[hdtvnewbie]

Per Wikipedia, WTVN-TV began broadcasting on August 30, 1949. They will be changing to Channel 48 on August 30, 2010, their 61st anniversary.

[hdtvnewbie]

Having some latent geek qualities as I do, I fired up the old DTV converter box this morning to see what was happening (I have cable).

I was able to tune in Channel 48, but all that's on is a black screen. No test pattern, or "coming soon" or anything like that.

I popped on the signal monitor and it was showing near maximum signal.

But (and here's the kicker): I tried to scan and my box did not add Channel 48. I'm impressed. This DTV technology seems to be very well thought out.

[hdtvnewbie]

At about 12:45 they were simulcasting on both channels 13 and 48. Surprisingly, the Virtual Channel was listed as 6.1 (and 6.2) on both Channels. I don't see any difference in picture quality, but then again I have an outdoor antenna.

[Mac]

My in laws live 10 miles east of Lancaster. I called to make sure my mother in law had added 48 to the converter box....she had...and she did a side by side comparison of the 13 and 48 frequencies for channel 6. According to her, the 48 frequency seemed to make the signal meter move further to the right----so for what it's worth, at least in Junction City they are able to get the new frequency and seemingly better than the old one.

[willcail]

I've just turn on my tv and WSYX DT did put a notice on 6.2 about the move. I was at my parents home setting up their office TV with a Zenith DTV STB. I manually delete VHF 13 and added UHF 48. The reception did improve.

[hdtvnewbie]

My in laws live 10 miles east of Lancaster. I called to make sure my mother in law had added 48 to the converter box....she had...and she did a side by side comparison of the 13 and 48 frequencies for channel 6. According to her, the 48 frequency seemed to make the signal meter move further to the right----so for what it's worth, at least in Junction City they are able to get the new frequency and seemingly better than the old one.

This is interesting because before the conversion, people were claiming VHF was better in hilly and mountainous terrain.

Do they have an outdoor antenna?

[drmark7]

I'm in Lancaster, and with my TV in the same position, by 4pm today, I am not receiving 6.1, nor getting a signal/ picture on 48. (is that with or without .1?)

6.2 seems to be gone at 4pm aw well, is that changing, too?

Have been missing ch 34 in august, I hope that gets taken care of soonl

And now channel 6!

[Mac]

This is interesting because before the conversion, people were claiming VHF was better in hilly and mountainous terrain.

Do they have an outdoor antenna?

Oh yeah...it's 30 feet up in the air with a rotor and a 10 year old Radio Shack booster!

[hdtvnewbie]

I'm in Lancaster, and with my TV in the same position, by 4pm today, I am not receiving 6.1, nor getting a signal/ picture on 48. (is that with or without .1?)

6.2 seems to be gone at 4pm aw well, is that changing, too?

Have been missing ch 34 in august, I hope that gets taken care of soonl

And now channel 6!

Old 6.1 is gone. Old 6.2 is still up, but it's not 6.2 anymore. The virtual channel says 13.2.

My guess is you need to delete 6 first and then rescan or add 48. I'm guessing your tuner is looking for "virtual channel 6 on frequency VHF 13". When you tune to 48, it displays virtual channel 6 which causes it to go back to 13 again or somehow confuses the tuner. Maybe that's your problem with 34.

My box has two options, the first is an EZ-Scan which adds new channel you don't have. There is another option where you can do a full scan, which wipes all existing channels and rescans everything.

[drmark7]

I spent over an hour fidgeting with and adjusting my attic antenna. As some may know, an adjustment of as little as an inch might do the trick.

First thing I did was turn the fine tuning ring on the old UHF antenna a few notches, and that netted me the return of PBS ch. 34.1,2,3! I sure hope they haven't been that close- for the last month I've done wo PBS.

Then, using a printout from (Antenna Web?) I aligned the antenna with a compass. Then I had to stand back from the whole unit and turn it with a yardstick- as my body would act as an antenna while near- but the signal would fade as I stepped back. I finally hit just the right spot. (All this while listening for the sound from 2 floors below!)

Here's the curious part... Before I started, the signal on 6.1 and 6.2 had vanished since the 1pm sign off this afternoon. But after a re-scan- I got them back- 6.2 on 6.2, but... 6.1 is not on 48 or 13, but still at * 6.1* !!! (as i type this at 11:45pm.)

I sure wish my tuner had the EZ-scan- I have to do a full scan each time- with the worry that i may lose some already there.

I still get 38.5, 8, 9- blank channels(?) with every scan.

I presently have an outdoor UHF antenna (connected to a VHF rabbit ears) on a stand at the north facing back window of my attic. I have a booster at my TV. It does a pretty good job most of the time. I live a block from a highway (Rt.33/Memorial drive) and my signal will flicker/ disappear if a big truck goes by or a plane goes overhead.

I still hope to get a totally outdoor antenna- I have a hand me down pole ready to go on the back of my house. Would love to see someone else's setup in Lancaster- Anyone near me- Union St by Memorial Dr.?

[hdtvnewbie]

Here's the curious part... Before I started, the signal on 6.1 and 6.2 had vanished since the 1pm sign off this afternoon. But after a re-scan- I got them back- 6.2 on 6.2, but... 6.1 is not on 48 or 13, but still at * 6.1* !!! (as i type this at 11:45pm.)

I sure wish my tuner had the EZ-scan- I have to do a full scan each time- with the worry that i may lose some already there.


Something is wrong. I checked and am absolutely, positively sure that Old 6-2 is now 13-2. Is there any way to delete Channel 6 completely? What brand of box do you have?

[drmark7]

What brand of box do you have?

It's the digital tuner in my Panasonic DMR-EZ48V DVD-recorder.

Despite other reports, that's how it came back up on my tuner after scan.

Could it be that I still don't have the "new" signal and that for (unknown reason) they have turned the original 6.1 signal back on?

6.1 was black from about 1pm til I re-scanned this evening.

[kc8kfg]

Finally did a full rescan on my TV (Samsung doesn't make it easy to directly tune channels when a virtual channel with the same number already exists...) and EXCELLENT signal in Finneytown, OH (10mi N of Downtown Cincinnati).
I wasn't able to get the VHF signal before (I only have a UHF antenna) so I can't compare; but it seems to be the strongest of the C-bus stations at my location.

[hdtvnewbie]

Finally did a full rescan on my TV (Samsung doesn't make it easy to directly tune channels when a virtual channel with the same number already exists...) and EXCELLENT signal in Finneytown, OH (10mi N of Downtown Cincinnati).
I wasn't able to get the VHF signal before (I only have a UHF antenna) so I can't compare; but it seems to be the strongest of the C-bus stations at my location.

Do you get stations regularly, or is this just a tropo thing? What kind of antenna do you have?

[willcail]

The message that WSYX DT is displaying on their old VHF channel 13 to re scan is displaying the RF channel instead. of the virtual channel. They can have two virtual channels that are the same. That will lead to confusion. Rabbit-ears.info updated WSYX DT info.

[kc8kfg]

Do you get stations regularly, or is this just a tropo thing? What kind of antenna do you have?

I'm running an Antennacraft MXU47 toward Columbus (which still gets Dayton a few degrees off the side) combined with an Antennacraft HBU22 toward Cincy. Both are coupled and sent into a Winegard HDP-269 preamp, then to a Channel Master CM3418 distribution amp.

I get a fairly consistent signal from WCMH-4, WTTE-28, and WWHO-53. I'm anticipating 6 to be similar. With a little tropo, I can get WBNS-10 and WOSU-34 as well; but the others come in under most conditions.

[hdtvnewbie]

I'm running an Antennacraft MXU47 toward Columbus (which still gets Dayton a few degrees off the side) combined with an Antennacraft HBU22 toward Cincy. Both are coupled and sent into a Winegard HDP-269 preamp, then to a Channel Master CM3418 distribution amp.

I get a fairly consistent signal from WCMH-4, WTTE-28, and WWHO-53. I'm anticipating 6 to be similar. With a little tropo, I can get WBNS-10 and WOSU-34 as well; but the others come in under most conditions.

WWHO-53 is on US 22 in Williamsport, about 30-miles closer to you than the rest, and also cranking out 1000-kw.

I'm surprised WTTE comes in so well and WBNS comes in so weak. WTTE is on Channel 36 and you would think they would have co-channel issues with WLWT. And with WBNS' channel position and the fact that they are on the same exact stick as WCMH (I think the lower half is WCMH), and slightly higher power, you would think they would be the best of the bunch. Weird.

[vman41]

On my LG TV, a direct tune to 48.1 confused it and made it delete the existing 6.1/6.2 from its channel table. Then I did a 'manual scan' from the menu and added it back.

A rescan on my TiVos created new 6.1/6.2 entries in their channel lists, but treats them as unknown program sources (no guide data). TiVo has to update their channel lineup.

[KCJ]

FYI channels 38.5 8 9 that some tuners show are used for sofware/ firmware updates on our tuners i believe. CH 13.2 should not show on a rescan WHEN they kill the old transmitter on ch 13. kirk

[hdtvnewbie]

Lookie what I found!

If anybody's interested, this is what 13.2 looks like right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpgo_a9yAqM

[Timcredible]

fyi, on my dish 622 units, a rescan didn't work, i had to delete the old 6-1 and 6-2 and then rescan. the good news though is that i don't need my old vhf antenna anymore.