Wanted: HD Cap of Ohio State vs Michigan Football Game

[neomits]

Not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I'm curious if anyone has an HD capture of the Ohio State/Michigan Football game (2006). Normally I record these with my Media Center but it screwed up and I didn't get it. So now I'm trying to reach out to the community.

If anyone has a copy of this on their Tivo or whatnot and knows about to transfer it to a PC, Harddrive or DVD I'd love to get it from you. I'd be willing to supply an external Harddrive or blank DVDs to transfer and could pay $$ to make it worth your while?

Let me know.

Thanks.

[Scott]

Add me to the list of someone who'd like an HD transfer of this as well.

[nakedeye]

thought i had offerd to record it back when it was on. i dont think anyone responded...

[nakedeye]

side note...

moderators hat firmly planted on

there has been a bit of video extraction/recording going about.... do we see any problems???

[Smak Runner 2K]

I have an HD copy on my WOW DVR.

If someone's willing to supply the equipment to get it off, I'd be willing to let it be taken off. I obviously have a DVD Recorder...but that's 480 max. We need a laptop with HDMI or Component in's (or something to that effect) to make this work....

Ideas? Anyone have something like this?

[neomits]

whats the manufactuer and model of the DVR you have? I'll look around and see if there is any advice on transfering stuff off the box you have.

[scgalena]

I would've been glad to loan you an Intensity HDMI card from Blackmagic Design that was ordered about a month and a half ago. My supplier now say's Blackmagic has not yet shipped the $250 Intensity cards to any US distributers, so I don't when I'll get it.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/)

AJA has an HD component card in stock but it's around $1800.

[buckeye3d]

How big would an HD capture of the game be?

[Scott]

side note...

moderators hat firmly planted on

there has been a bit of video extraction/recording going about.... do we see any problems???

Good point. This site was modeled after the TiVo Community website for rules including those governing video extraction. Although this is enforced, there is plenty of talk about bittorrent and extraction of broadcast shows (not movies, or premium channels) on that site (which is closely monitored by TiVo Inc). I think if we follow the path of TiVo Community (and no one is trying to make a profit), I don't see any problems with the discussions.

[snodgrass23]

I would also add that we should keep details about the process out of the discussion to be on the safe side.

[buckeye3d]

If anyone needs hosting for something *cough* let me know.

[Scott]

I would also add that we should keep details about the process out of the discussion to be on the safe side.

Exactly--as per the forum rules. However, were talking about normal "allowed" transfer methods, not encryption breaking or DVR hacking.

[Smak Runner 2K]

I don't know the exact model of my DVR...it's a Scientific Atlanta - I'll check the # when I get home tonight and post.

I do know this...the extraction would have to take place at my house, as the WOW DVR completely clams up if not connected to the cable line...I tested it a while back for another reason entirely, and couldn't get it to boot.

If anyone thinks they can do it, let me know. I'd be more than happy to help, although you'd have to work around the schedule of someone in the CE Retail business in the middle of Christmas:)

PS: I almost deleted it two days ago...glad I didn't!

[neomits]

How big would an HD capture of the game be?

pretty big. Depending on if its not compressed and still contains commercials, possibly 5-6 gigs per hour.

I plan on compressing whatever source file I can get down to about 4.5 gigs to share with family and friends. (have done this already for the Northwestern and Michigan State games)

I'm glad to see there is interest in getting ahold of this.

(Mod note: if anything I've said may be innapropriate, please feel free to correct me or edit my post)

[rossl]

How big would an HD capture of the game be?

61.2 gigabytes
:eek:

how do I know?
Because I recorded the game twice.
:D

Once on my HD-DVR, where it is inaccessable like everybody else here... and also in the "free and clear" on the PC where I have the MyHD receiver PCI card.

I started recording the transport stream on Nov.18 at 3:36 and ended the recording at 7:23. So, the game is saved in HD on a fairly new hard drive.

That 61 gig TS stream starts before the 'moment of silence' for Bo and the National Anthem. It includes halftime, lots of commercials, and ends at least 10 minutes after the end of the game.

I have planned on editing probably 25 to 30 gig worth of non-essential stuff out and saving to 6 or 7 DVD-R.

But I haven't done anything with it yet. I don't have a HD_DVD player. I downloaded the VideoRedo editor that everyone on AVS forum likes, but I haven't gotten around to paying the $50 for the license, and I haven't had time to wrestle with a 61 gig TS file anyway.

You guys don't need to go out and buy a HDMI input card or anything like that. I hope to have time for this over Christmas break.

[rossl]

Attn. Nakedeye,
What tools do you use to do this stuff with?

editing TS

converting to HD-DVD format?

PM me if this is inappropriate.

[Scott]

Attn. Nakedeye,
What tools do you use to do this stuff with?

editing TS

converting to HD-DVD format?

PM me if this is inappropriate.

Yup, keep this in PM please.

[Smak Runner 2K]

Looks like rossl has a better situation to upload/copy than I do - which is good.

My DVR is an SA 8300HD. I'll hold onto the game on the DVR until it's confirmed that we have actual copies of it in people's hands, or whatever. I'd actually like a copy myself:)

[KEVKEV]

My laptop that im getting next week has an HDMI input.

[rossl]

My laptop that im getting next week has an HDMI input.

That is cool, but that doesn't mean it will work with a DVR. The Blackmagic card linked to in post #7 of this thread states in the document at the link that it will not capture from copy protected HDMI sources.

We will have to find out if our DVR's enforce copy protection.

[rossl]

Here is some good news. I downloaded the VideoReDo software from their website and requested a trial key. It appears to allow full functionality for 15 days, so I don't need to pay the $50 license fee just yet.

I loaded in the 61 gig transport stream from the OSU-Michigan game and discovered that the transport stream included the sub-channel and lots and lots of overhead.

When I saved off just the mpeg stream of interest, it is only 22.6 gig of data. 38.6 gig of useless data is gone.

LOL The transport stream is 63 percent overhead.

VideoReDo reports the bitrate for the football game averages 13.13 megabits/sec.

Now, I should be able to save the game to 4 single layer DVD-R, one for each quarter. After editing out the commercials. No compression or loss of quality.

I understand the concern of the moderators, but what I am doing is not illegal. It would be if I were to sell the DVDs, but I'm not going to sell anything.

I can make a few backup copies in case the originals get damaged... right?

[jchiso]

I also downloaded the trial version of VideoReDo... it is unbelievable! It does smooth, fast edits of large transport streams even on my 1.8GHz Duron using files on networked storage.

Looks like an absolute steal at $50!

[nakedeye]

well i dont think i have to be hide what i use to edit the video. hell i could e editing a home movie for all that matter.

i use gopedditor which comes with the ty tools package. now it is entierly useless with out a .tmf file which only comes from tivo's. thats all i can say about that.

i use ulead dvd movie factory 5 to set up the hd dvd file structure. then i save the files and use nero7 to burn.

sounds worse than it is. plays back great via red laser in my hd dvd player

[rossl]

Hi all,

I have edited the raw transport stream into 4 files that will fit on standard single layer DVD-R. The VideoReDo tool is fantastic compared to some of the free tools I used in the past. The editing went faster than I thought it would.

There was time to put the National Anthem and some pregame on the first disc.

There was time to put some of the halftime commentary and the tribute to Bo in at the end of the 2nd quarter.

The third quarter was 3.8 gigs and the fourth quarter was 4.8 gigs, so I had to put the first part of the 4th Q in at the end of the 3rd. That way I was able to keep the video of the fans rushing the field at the end of 4.

Right now I have 4 files of MPEG2 at 720p with 5.1 sound. They can be played on a computer as-is with the free VLC player from
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

I have the tools I need to author to HD-DVD disc, but I don't have a HD-DVD player to test the authored discs. Does anyone know who has one that I can test a disc on, preferably on the west side of town. I know Nakedeye has one, but I'm a long way from Delaware.

[nakedeye]

well if you feel like it, i work on norton road just by west broad...

[rossl]

well if you feel like it, i work on norton road just by west broad...

The building at Palmetto where the road is all torn up?

That's more like it. I can get there in just a few minutes. I will work on making a HD-DVD of the first quarter and drop it off tomorrow or Wednesday.

You can stop by and pick it up if you would rather do that.

What shift are you working?

[rossl]

By the way, I using this guide to do it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146

[Smak Runner 2K]

well if you feel like it, i work on norton road just by west broad...

Dude...you work 2 1/2 minutes from my house...that's so weird.

[nakedeye]

hehehehe i am in the att/sbc/ameritech CO right where the road is gone to shit. it is hard for me to get out, but if you like, you can call me before hand and ill meet you outside.

This is kind of a light duty assignment for right now as normaly i am in an att truck in dublin.... lol

[rossl]

hehehehe i am in the att/sbc/ameritech CO right where the road is gone to shit. it is hard for me to get out, but if you like, you can call me before hand and ill meet you outside.

This is kind of a light duty assignment for right now as normaly i am in an att truck in dublin.... lol


LOL... me and Smak Runner 2K must be neighbors.

Nakedeye, PM me with your phone number and work schedule.

[Scott]

Torrent links to the 720p version here:

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30967 (requires registering @ BuckeyePlanet)

Thanks to neomits and rossl.

We need seeders, I'm downloading via HDBITS now.

[Scott]

Moved to GD...

[neomits]

As Scott has posted, thanks to rossl I was able to get my hands on a full copy of The Game. I've been providing torrents to BuckeyePlanet for the past few weeks and to keep my bandwidth at a reasonable amount have been compressing the games to be able to fit on a single DVD5.

So for those of you that won't be able to meet up with Rossl or anyone else to get an uncompressed copy, you can check out the torrent links on BP.

Here's some sample clips.

Uncompressed Clip (62 megs) - Fake Ginn TD HD (http://www.timjanderson.com/files/buckeyeplanet/mich/FakeGinnTDHD.mpg)
Compressed Clip (15 megs) - Fake Ginn TD HD (http://www.timjanderson.com/files/buckeyeplanet/mich/FakeGinnTDHD.avi)

[nakedeye]

hey ross

first the good.

the disc was able to play back as an hd dvd. player thought it was red laser!

the bad part is that somewhere you actualy reformatted the 720p file to 1080i i think. the picture is soft on still shots and has interlacing artifacts when moving.

the player reports back a 1080i disc as well. did you try the 1080i header trick before ulead and then change it back upon burn?

good news is that the 5.1 came through just fine

[rossl]

I probably messed up the header. Ulead finished in about a minute, so it didn't take enough time to re-encode from 720p to 1080i. It sounds like the header is wrong.

The guide at AVS forum said I didn't need to do the header manipulation trick if I used the 5.3 version of Ulead. I will try that header patch and burn another one.

[nakedeye]

hmmm exactly the same results...

[rossl]

hmmm exactly the same results...

The player still thinks it is 1080i ?

I must have some settings wrong in Ulead Movie Factory. I have checked all the headers multilpe times and they are all 720p60.

I will read the thread at AVS forum some more, maybe I'll get a clue at what I'm doing wrong.

I noticed I can open the EVO files with the VLC videolan viewer. It shows the video but no sound.

[Scott]

Download from the Xvid version on neomit's HDBITS site completed today. I'm converting it to WMV-HD now to test out the Xbox 360's capabilities.

[neomits]

I'll be very curious to know how that goes, as far as time to convert and how good the quality turns out. I almost considered making the WMV-HD from the source MPEG file (as I have a 360 myself), but figured xvid is easier to compress and distribute.

[Scott]

I'll be very curious to know how that goes, as far as time to convert and how good the quality turns out. I almost considered making the WMV-HD from the source MPEG file (as I have a 360 myself), but figured xvid is easier to compress and distribute.

It's painfully slow :o I started the conversion last night and it was about 20% complete this morning. It's also swelling the size to about 11.5 GB--not surprising given that the WMV-HD movies from the 360 market place are about 6-7 GB per 100-120 minute video.

[rossl]

I may give up on the HD-DVD format because the tools are primitive. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong and it's hard to test without having a HD-DVD player. I have lost confidence in the Ulead Movie Factory 5.x tool to make HD-DVD compliant media. The lack of support for 720p and the need for users to write patch utility tools is silly.


The VideoReDo tool has produced excellent mpeg2 files. They are lossless and not re-encoded edits of the WOW cable transport stream.

Regardless of the usability of the current tools... even if I could author a disc that would play on Nakedeye's HD-A1, I wouldn't be confident that it would be usable in a few years. Blu-Ray might win out. Something else might come along. I would rather archive these files in the mpeg file format than in the EVO format used by HD-DVD, because the MPEG format possibly will be more future proof...


Archive of these files lossless in mpeg2 will allow us make pristine HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs sometime in the future when the tools are more robust. They can be viewed on a computer for now. I don't want to burn a lot of DVDs and give them out to everybody in a format that is questionable.

You can also re-encode the 720p mpeg to xvid or wmv-hd or 480i or whatever format you want.

A shopping trip today showed a lot of Blu-Ray stuff and not much HD-DVD stuff. Best Buy has 20gig Blu-Ray burnable discs. All 4 quarters will fit on one of those.

Anyone here have a HD-DVD player besides Nakedeye?

Would it be best to burn the four mpg files to four DVD-R and leave it that way for now?

Comments anyone?

[nakedeye]

many more hd dvd player than mine.... lol

infact way more hd dvd players than blu ray....

[jchiso]

The VideoReDo tool has produced excellent mpeg2 files. They are lossless and not re-encoded edits

Personally I am of the mindset that I don't want anything that I cannot play back on a computer. I prefer to just store content on networked drives and access it from there. Inasmuch as you have an "as-broadcast" -quality capture stored on a hard disk you can adapt it to any environment or medium in the future, if you so desire.

I would not try to shoehorn this into some other format...

[Scott]

It's painfully slow :o I started the conversion last night and it was about 20% complete this morning. It's also swelling the size to about 11.5 GB--not surprising given that the WMV-HD movies from the 360 market place are about 6-7 GB per 100-120 minute video.

Finally completed and it's streaming perfectly to the 360 via Windows Media Player 11. Quality is exactly the same as the Xvid version. It's running better streaming to the 360 than the Xvid does on my Alienware!

[neomits]

how long did the encode take (pc specs?) and what's the size?

[Scott]

how long did the encode take (pc specs?) and what's the size?
It took almost 48 hours to complete and swelled the size to 11gb. After the first day I did bump the priority of the process to low, so that probably attributed to the time it took to complete.

PC Specs:


I. Configuration
Processor(s)

* Processor 1
o Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.60GHz
o Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
o Caption: x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4
o Version: Model 3, Stepping 4
o Processor Id: BFEBFBFF00000F34
o Current Clock Speed: 3600MHz
o Address Width: 32Bits
o Data Width: 32Bits
o Socket Designation: J3E1
* Processor 2
o Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.60GHz
o Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
o Caption: x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4
o Version: Model 3, Stepping 4
o Processor Id: BFEBFBFF00000F34
o Current Clock Speed: 3600MHz
o Address Width: 32Bits
o Data Width: 32Bits
o Socket Designation: J3E1

System Memory

* Memory Module 1
o Capacity: 512MB
o Bank Label: CHANNEL A DIMM0
o Data Width: 64Bits
o Speed: 533MHz
o Socket Designation: J5G2

* Memory Module 2
o Capacity: 512MB
o Bank Label: CHANNEL B DIMM0
o Data Width: 64Bits
o Speed: 533MHz
o Socket Designation: J5H1

BIOS Information

* Manufacturer: Intel Corp.
* Name: BIOS Date: 06/24/04 15:45:11 Ver: 08.00.10
* Version: CV92510A.86A.0210.2004.0624.1545
* Version: INTEL - 20040624

Motherboard Information

* Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
* Product: D925XCV
* Serial Number: BTCV43600568
* Version: AAC57587-404

Video Adapter

* Caption: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Series GPU
* Adapter RAM: 256MB
* DriverVersion: 6.14.10.6674

Hard Drive(s) (RAID|0)

* WDC WD360GD-00FNA0 (I)
o Model: WDC WD360GD-00FNA0
o Size: 37GB
o Total Heads: 255
o Total Cylinders: 4500
o Total Tracks: 1147500
o Tracks Per Cylinder: 255
o Model: WDC WD360GD-00FNA0
o Size: 37GB
o Total Heads: 255
o Total Cylinders: 4500
o Total Tracks: 1147500
o Tracks Per Cylinder: 255

* WDC WD360GD-00FNA0 (II)
o Model: WDC WD360GD-00FNA0
o Size: 37GB
o Total Heads: 255
o Total Cylinders: 4500
o Total Tracks: 1147500
o Tracks Per Cylinder: 255
o Model: WDC WD360GD-00FNA0
o Size: 37GB
o Total Heads: 255
o Total Cylinders: 4500
o Total Tracks: 1147500
o Tracks Per Cylinder: 255

Optical Drives / Other Storage

* _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG
* LITE-ON DVD SOHD-167T

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP2)

DirectX Version: 9c

II. Burn-In/Benchmarks
Test with SiSoft Sandra

* CPU Benchmark
o Dhrystone ALU: 10581 MIPS
o Whetstone FPU: 2981 MFLOPS
* CPU Multi-Media Benchmark
o Integer: 0 it/s
o Floating-Point: 0 it/s
* Drives Benchmark
o HD 1 - Buffered Read: 93 MB/s
o HD 1 - Avg. Access Time: 6 ms
* Memory Benchmark
o Int ALU/RAM Bandwidth: 4799 MB/s
o Float FPU/RAM Bandwidth: 4797 MB/s

Doom 3

* Doom 3: 83.7 fps

Unreal Tournament 2003

* FlyByCitadel: 188.02 fps
* BotmatchCitadel: 81.91 fps

3DMark 2005

* Game Tests
o 3DMark Score: 4,637.00 3DMarks
o GT1 - Return To Proxycon: 20.62 FPS
o GT2 - Firefly Forest: 13.08 FPS
o GT3 - Canyon Flight: 23.67 FPS
* CPU Tests
o CPU Score: 4,987.00 CPUMarks
o CPU Test 1: 2.57 FPS
o CPU Test 2: 4.30 FPS
* Feature Tests
o Fill Rate - Single-Texturing: -1.00 FPS
o Fill Rate - Multi-Texturing: -1.00 FPS
o Pixel Shader: -1.00 FPS
o Vertex Shader - Simple: -1.00 FPS
o Vertex Shader - Complex: -1.00 FPS
* Batch Size Tests
o 8 Triangles: -1.00 FPS
o 32 Triangles: -1.00 FPS
o 128 Triangles: -1.00 FPS
o 512 Triangles: -1.00 FPS
o 2048 Triangles: -1.00 FPS
o 32768 Triangles: -1.00 FPS